网友讨论：东盟是亚洲版的欧盟吗？-pg电子麻将胡了
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网友：我来自新加坡，东盟和欧盟的根本差异在于我们在意识形态上面并不一致。所以东盟的目标是要创建一个稳定和经济繁荣的论坛。我个人希望有一天东盟可以像欧盟一样，但我觉得这在有生之年没有实现的可能。
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网友讨论：东盟是亚洲版的欧盟吗？
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i'm from singapore. the fundamental difference between asean and eu is that we are not ideologically aligned. so the goal of asean was to create a forum for stability and economic prosperity. i personally hope that one day asean can be like the eu, but i doubt this will happen in my lifetime
我来自新加坡，东盟和欧盟的根本差异在于我们在意识形态上面并不一致。所以东盟的目标是要创建一个稳定和经济繁荣的论坛。我个人希望有一天东盟可以像欧盟一样，但我觉得这在有生之年没有实现的可能。
i still don't like these capitalism, still prefer communism so yeah we won't have the same ideology.
我依然不喜欢资本主义，我更加喜欢共产主义，所以是的，我们不会有一样的意识形态。
people only united when they have a common enemy, usa common enemy was british, eu common enemy is russia.
asean have no such as that thing, everyone is a friend here.
只有在拥有共同敌人的情况下，人们才会团结起来，美国之前的共同敌人是英国，欧洲的共同敌人是俄罗斯。
东盟没有这样的共同敌人，这里的每个国家都是朋友。
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impossible, and not necessary
不可能，而且没有必要
asean will never have a common ideology, pretty much any country in asia is super nationalistic and collectivist unlike european countries.
东盟永远不会拥有共同的意识形态，和欧洲国家不同的是，亚洲几乎每个国家都是超级民族主义者和集体主义者。
propubly the best ideology to unite to is anti colonialism because most member state were colonised atleast onces. we could get atleast a military aliance around that.
或许将东盟国家团结起来的最佳意识形态是反殖民主义，因为大部分东盟国家至少被殖民过一次，我们至少可以为此建立一个军事联盟
yeah, but when asean united the power will be so great, and others super power nation will not let it happen.
是的，但当东盟统一后，他的实力会变得非常强大，其他超级大国不会让这种事情发生
we are almost like eu...travelling within the asean nation are without visa
我们几乎和欧盟没有区别，在东盟国家内部旅游不需要签证
@boxy
for the major differences of each member state:
thailand, myanmar, and cambodia is buddhist.
laos and vietnam are either local folk religions or state atheism.
indonesia, brunei and malaysia are sunni.
philippines is catholic.
only indonesia and the philippines are democracies. malaysia is a monarchy but is run under a senate. laos and vietnam are the only communist countries. myanmar is currently under a junta, and the rest are pure monarchies.
东盟各国的主要差异：
泰国缅甸和柬埔寨是佛教国家
老挝和越南要么是拥有自己当地的民间宗教要么就是无神论国家
印尼，文莱和马来西亚是逊尼派国家
菲律宾是天主教国家
只有印尼和菲律宾是民主国家。虽然马来西亚是君主制国家，但国家由参议院负责管理。老挝和越南是仅有的共产主义国家。缅甸目前在军政府统治之下。其他国家是纯粹的君主制国家。
@demitsuru
singapore, philippines, and indonesia were once under the rule of a dictatorship though.
新加坡， 印尼和菲律宾都曾被独裁统治过
@ousama de aru singapore? since when
新加坡什么时候有独裁统治？
asean is far more diverse than the eu in culture, religion, social tradition, ideology and politics. it is a miracle asean is able to keep peace amongst themselves these many years.
东盟在文化，宗教，社会传统，意识形态和政治方面要比欧盟更加的多样化。这么多年来，东盟可以一直保持和平简直就是一个奇迹。
we just need to improve our educational system
我们只需要改进我们的教育体系
we asean member state citizens can enter other member states with only our passports and not have to get a visa.
我们东盟国家的公民可以不用签证，只用本国护照就可以进入其他成员国。
most eu passport holders can also travel to most asean countries with a passport.
大部分持欧盟国家护照的人也可以不用签证就可以进入大部分东盟国家。
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you know like eu. freedom of movement.
你知道吗，欧盟国家之间的人员是可以自由流动的
if asean was like the eu then it could counter-balance big powers like china and even usa. it could also be one of the biggest trade powers in the world.
如果东盟可以像欧盟一样的话，那么它就可以制衡像中国甚至美国这样的大国了，东盟或许还可以成为世界上最大的贸易强国之一。
my bid is asean and japan,taiwan, korea getting togather to stop china
我提议东盟应该和日本，台湾地区，韩国联合起来，一起遏制中国
se asia is incredibly diverse.
东南亚的多样性是难以置信的
"se asia is incredibly diverse" yeah and so is the eu. but i believe we will overcome our differences someday. i hope we will have things like the eu (single currency, schengen area, single supreme court, etc)
“东南亚拥有难以置信的多样性”，你说的没错，但欧盟也非常的多样化。但我相信总有一天我们可以克服彼此之间的分歧。我希望我们可以像欧盟一样拥有单一的货币，申根区和单一的最高法庭等。
asean is pretty diverse that the making of asean as a unx itself will be hard to maintain, if i must said south east asia is like a balkan in europe
东盟非常的多样化，这使得东盟之间的联盟很难进行维持，如果必须要说的话，那就是东南亚就像是欧洲的巴尔干半岛一样。
as an indonesian i believe in the non-intervention policy. it's what kept asean stable and going for so long. each member state has their own sets of problems anyway so we should get each of our own shits sorted out first.
作为一个印尼人，我信奉不干涉政策。这是东盟可以维持稳定和长期发展的原因。每个成员国都有自己的问题，所以我们应该先解决自己的问题
as a filipino i agree. cooperation is most important, but we musn't intervene in another sovereign nation. this will lead to ill-feelings among populations in other member countries.
we must cooperate, but never interfere.
作为菲律宾人，我同意你的看法。合作是最重要的，但我们不能干涉另一个主权国家。这样做会导致其他成员国民众的不满。我们必须合作，但永远不能干涉他国。
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interfering is just western things haha
干涉他国是西方国家才会做的事情哈哈
i agree 100%. we are not like the westerners. we have our own way to do things.
我100%同意，我们和西方人是不一样的，我们有自己的做事方式
i'm ashamed to be from laos. laos is always a failure. don't count on laos to help asean. we are too lazy.
我为自己是老挝人而羞愧。老挝一直以来都是一个失败国家。别指望老挝能对东盟起到帮助作用。我们太懒了
@os253 don't lose hope brother
不要失去希望，兄弟
i disagree, every issue tht effect southeast asian country, effects other asean countries so there needs to be intervention. for example, when in myanmar they kill rohingyas, the rohingyas became refugees and come to other southeast asian countries for help
我不同意，对自己国家造成影响的问题也会对其他东盟国家造成影响，所以需要对其进行干涉，比如，当缅甸屠杀罗兴亚人以后，变成了难民的罗兴亚人就会前往其他东南亚国家寻求帮助。
we southeast asian nations proud of being a asean’s member. love you all from viet nam
我们为能成为东盟成员国而感到自豪，来自越南的爱
as someone who lives in an asean member state (malaysia), i really think we should continue with our non-interventionist policy and stay out of every nation's domestic affairs. it's this policy that has helped asean to bring regional stability, because no one interferes with anyone's domestic conflicts, we don't escalate domestic conflicts into regional and international ones. if they're doing something wrong, that's their business, but who are we to meddle with a nation's sovereignty?
作为一个东盟成员国的公民（马来西亚），我真的认为我们应该继续奉行不干涉政策，不插手其他国家的内政。正是该政策帮助东盟实现了地区稳定，因为没有人去干涉其他国家的内部冲突，所以我们国内的冲突就无法升级为地区或国际冲突了。如果其他国家做错了。那也是他们自己的事情，我们有什么权利去干涉一个国家的主权呢？
as indonesian, i hope asean shoud more close together but without intervening other country. each country should resolve their own problem and in the face of external trouble ie, china or us, they should do joint military move to defend asean territory.
作为一个印尼人，我希望东盟可以更加紧密的团结在一起，但我们不应该干涉其他国家。每个国家都应该先解决自己的问题，在面对外部威胁时，比如中国和美国，我们应该采取共同的军事行动来保卫东盟的领土。
as a vietnamese person, i think asean is a wonderful thing. for me, increasing cooperation promotes peace among members. asean is incredibly diverse in terms of ethnic groups, languages, religions, and just about 2-3 centuries ago, there were many wars among those countries. so, having a shared identity is necessary to encourage the youth to learn about other countries.
for the myanmar situation, it's incredibly hard to solve. but i think if there's an organization that can put certain pressure on myanmar to reform, it's asean, not sanctions from the united states or the eu.
作为一个越南人，我认为东盟是一个很棒的组织。对我来说，增加合作可以促进各国之间的和平。东盟国家在民族，语言，宗教等方面有着难以置信的多样性，在两三百年之前，这些国家之间还发生过许多次的战争。所以拥有一个共同的身份是很有必要的，这样可以鼓励年轻人去了解其他的国家。
要解决缅甸的局势是很困难的。但我认为如果有一个组织可以对缅甸改革施加压力的话，那么这个组织一定就是东盟，而不是美国或者欧盟的制裁。
i think asean is kinda successful in maintaining peace and stability in the region, given many different types of ideologies and religion in the area.
鉴于该地区存在着许多不同的意识形态和宗教，我认为东盟在维护地区和平和稳定方面是相当成功的
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i hope they continue to be successful in the future. smaller nations coming together to form a cooperative political bloc is smart because it gives them better negotiating power in global politics and helps to prevent any of one of them from being dominated by a foreign great power cough us&china cough
我希望他们未来可以继续取得成功。小国团结起来组建一个相互合作的政治集团是一种明智的做法，因为这让他们在国际政治中获得了更好的谈判能力，有助于他们任何一个国家被域外大国所控制，比如中国或美国。
as a filipino, i'd love to see asean have a freer flow of trade and labor forces.
作为一个菲律宾人，我希望东盟的贸易和劳动力流动可以变得更加自由。
once the asean countries finish dealing with the covid 19, i wish its leaders would take drastic actions against myanmar's military junta.
我希望东盟国家在解决了疫情后，能够对缅甸军政府采取严厉的措施
they wont because it was a domestic problem, thailand actually have been in drastic government change from democratic to military junta back to democratic and back again to military junta, it happens too often and no one in asean talk about it, myanmar also being in military junta, so no
他们不会对缅甸采取严厉措施的，因为这是缅甸的内部问题，泰国的政权更迭也非常的激烈，他们先是从民主国家变成了军政府，后来又从军政府变成了民主国家，最后又变成了军政府，这种事情真的是太频繁了，在东盟国家没有人会讨论这种事情，缅甸现在也是军政府执政，所以他们是不会对缅甸采取严厉措施的。
this year's asean leadership is chaired by cambodia, which is supportive of the burmese junta, so don't expect much.
今年的东盟主席国由柬埔寨担任，柬埔寨对缅甸军政府持支持态度，所以不要抱太大的期望了
i have 1 question with other southeast asian friends. what do you know about southeast asian neighbors?
as a vietnamese, we have very little knowledge and interest in southeast asia. in the unofficial media, laos is the " communist brother" of vietnam, cambodia is a noisy neighbor, thailand is a football rival and a tourist destination to visit. singapore is the place many rich people send their children study abroad. as for the others, we really don't know much about them?
我有一个问题想要问东南亚的朋友们，你对东南亚的邻国了解多少？
作为一个越南人，我们对东南亚了解不多，而且也没有什么兴趣。在非官方媒体上，老挝是越南共产主义兄弟，柬埔寨是一个烦人的邻居，泰国是我们在足球上的对手和旅游目的地。新加坡是富人送孩子出国读书的地方。至于其他国家，我们真的不太了解。